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Inviting all women, in particular my Black sisters, to take up space and just be. An invitation to talk about what we think about, but rarely speak about. Conversations about spirituality, relationships, the “ism’s,” sex, mental wellbeing, secrets and feelings that we stuffed. We will celebrate! You will laugh, cry, be pissed, disagree, and begin to count yourself in where you’ve been counted out. Lisa Lackey, therapist, consultant and chief conversation starter and her guests will challenge you to keep the conversation going.

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Feb 17, 2021

Our third episode in a series I have affectionately come to know as "BWB" -- Black Woman Burnout.

And what we are going to be talking about today is just how much we, as Black women, repress our emotional selves -- how we repress those things that we feel afraid to express or don't have time to express or don't give ourselves permission to express.

And so the title of this particular episode is "Sometimes you just want to holla!"

Today, I have my sister with me and her name is Ramona Outlaw. Ramona first of all, is a retired high school principal in the Chicago Public School system.

Even as late as today, even though she's retired, they're still calling her and she's still answering. She's been an educator for over 25 years and one of her greatest loves in life is traveling.  What she says about education and teaching is that she did not choose teaching -- teaching chose her and kept choosing her for over 26 years. 


If this conversation has brought you to an insight, a story, a sense of relief, please email me at with the subject line "Black Woman Burnout."

Take care,



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